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LizD
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Re: Crime is on the rise...
Posted by nycbuslady
I agree there are calls they should not be involved in, but that had to mean they are NOT involved. You have to send people who can deal with these calls without including the police as "back up". If you are taking money away from them and using it for this type of service these people need to be able to handle themselves and not involve the police. If that is the case than the budget needs to increase to account for the extra personnel and the cops still being involved
I agree. When someone calls 911, the person doesn't know right away if someone is mentally ill or has other problems that wouldn't involve the police. The police would still have to respond and then have the social worker take care of the issue afterwards. You can't just have the social worker go to the scene without a cop.
but you are taking their money away - so while they are on that call how do they also go to the call of gun shots. No work is being taken away from them, just the funding?? That won't work
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Re: Crime is on the rise...
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by Christine2
Reasons why crime is on the rise?
(1) Bail reform act - releasing suspected criminals back into the streets without bail
(2) Early release of prisoners due to COVID
(3) COVID shut down the courts - more criminals on the streets
(4) Anti-police sentiment with politicians not supporting the police, instead supporting defunding them (with some like AOC saying that $1 billion in defunding isn't enough??)
(5) Anxiety/unrest/unemployment due to COVID
When you don't punish for the crime, don't be shocked when it increases. When a cause says they want to "defund" it implies that they do not respect the value of the service. Well, many of us do! While I would support social workers being called for non violent crimes, we are talking about FELONIES here - kids are dying, people being shot in the head holding their child's hand. It is devolving into chaos and madness. It's sad that posters aren't even willing to acknowledge the SUDDEN and DRASTIC increase in crime. I guess it just isn't PC. Just like how we need to social distance and close schools, but mass protests are ok.
"When you don't punish for the crime" isn't this a main reason why all these issues started to begin with? Cops not being held accountable for their actions? Oh I get it, it doesn't apply to cops
she never said it does not apply to cops. If you were not so anti-cop you would see she is not saying that.
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RainyDay
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Re: Crime is on the rise...
Posted by LizD
she never said it does not apply to cops. If you were not so anti-cop you would see she is not saying that.
Yea so anti- cop. 
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Re: Crime is on the rise...
Posted by LizD
Posted by queensgal
Huh? I didn’t say all cops are racist. I’m trying to differentiate between the racists in uniform - example the cop who killed George Floyd because he was black- and the police who are trying to do good police work day in and day out. What is ignorant about that? Or do you believe that zero cops are racist and act based on those beliefs?
For what it’s worth, there are racists in all professions and every walk of life.
If you relax on your anger you will see we are on the same side. Politicians and the system are failing all of us. That is what needs to change. And the money and where it goes is one thing but the entire thing is broken on who makes those decisions and how they are carried out. We need to stop fighting amongst ourselves, that’s what the people in power want so they stay in power.
The system had failed our police in many ways. The response had been greater protection for “bad cops” which honestly just puts everyone in more danger. Of course someone who assaults an officer should be held accountable - if police leadership and/or political leaders are causing that not to happen then it needs to change! See, we are on the same side.
We need strong community ties between people and the police/other support workers and first responders. Protecting racist cops who act illegally under the guise of a badge helps no one. The systems that perpetuate that- funding, court system, education, company practices etc - and keep minority groups (including women) down need to be changed. That is what is behind BLM.
yes, we do agree on most of this also, but you have to watch what is all behind the BLM or the shoot offs using that cause, you have the NY BLM or one of those leaders calling to burn down the system literally or figuratively whatever is necessary if their demands are not met. I also saw an interview where the interviewer asked if one of the goals was to make the police departments more diverse. The answer was "if a black person becomes a cop they are no longer black". So how do you ever please them? What does it take? Totally agree there needs to be changes from politicians down to the beat cop but the other side needs to be able to make changes also. If I say there is a major problem of black on black crime I am considered a racist. If black people say that they are also considered racist. Being told BLM only cares about crimes against black by white cops. Seriously 9 black men were killed last year by cops. There are 9 black people killed every day in these big cities by each other. Why is that a bad issue to want to address as well. There was a pastor in Brooklyn or the Bronx who said but , yes there needs to be change in the policing but also they need to do things in their own neighborhoods. Take some of the money and use it for programs to help youth, keep them out of gangs. Get rid of the gangs if possible. Do all necessary to keep dealers from getting people hooked and into crimes to get more money to support the habits. There can be improvement in many areas of life quality but the community needs to want to help and get involved in that. Not depend on cops or anyone else to take care of it as has been the case for a long time now. They can't even try at least in NYC as the plain clothes cops have been closed down. That means more guns, drugs and sex traffic will keep happening and get worse.
I don’t even wanna imagine how much advantage gangs are taking from this situation!
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JennP
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Re: Crime is on the rise...
Posted by LizD
Posted by queensgal
Posted by LizD
Posted by queensgal
Posted by TooSoontoTell
Posted by Christine2
Actually, given that the "trend" has increased after BLM protests is my concern. I am not sure that defunding and sending social workers to shootings will work. Clearly, the police are tacitly "standing down" and it is showing in the increased violence throughout the country.
That’s not at all what defund the police means. The conversation on sending social workers would be for non violent situations, mental health crises, etc.
If police are choosing to stand down and not perform their job, even more reason to defund them and put the money towards programs and people who will perform their jobs and protect society.
The “defund police” movement is not anti-police. It’s a recognition that we send police officers to every situation and they are not trained or best suited to handle so much. Instead, we need trained professionals who can assist non violent situations and prevent them from escalating to the point where someone who needed help ends up dead.
Your post is uneducated and perpetuates misinformation. Do some research.
I support our police. But I don’t support murderers and racists in uniform. I think the current system fails our police and is designed to fail. Cops who do wrong need to be punished and removed, they aren’t above the law. And all the other cops need more support from legislators and other organizations so they don’t have impossible expectations put on them.
they are not choosing not to do their jobs. I'm sorry - someone said earlier to do research on BLM well y'all need to do research on cops as well.
I know you claim to support the police, but you don't that is clear and that is your right, but don't spew shit when you don't know what you are taking about. Racists in uniform is so ignorant it is not even worth a response, but that comment right there shows how you really feel.
Huh? I didn’t say all cops are racist. I’m trying to differentiate between the racists in uniform - example the cop who killed George Floyd because he was black- and the police who are trying to do good police work day in and day out. What is ignorant about that? Or do you believe that zero cops are racist and act based on those beliefs?
For what it’s worth, there are racists in all professions and every walk of life.
If you relax on your anger you will see we are on the same side. Politicians and the system are failing all of us. That is what needs to change. And the money and where it goes is one thing but the entire thing is broken on who makes those decisions and how they are carried out. We need to stop fighting amongst ourselves, that’s what the people in power want so they stay in power.
The system had failed our police in many ways. The response had been greater protection for “bad cops” which honestly just puts everyone in more danger. Of course someone who assaults an officer should be held accountable - if police leadership and/or political leaders are causing that not to happen then it needs to change! See, we are on the same side.
We need strong community ties between people and the police/other support workers and first responders. Protecting racist cops who act illegally under the guise of a badge helps no one. The systems that perpetuate that- funding, court system, education, company practices etc - and keep minority groups (including women) down need to be changed. That is what is behind BLM.
yes, we do agree on most of this also, but you have to watch what is all behind the BLM or the shoot offs using that cause, you have the NY BLM or one of those leaders calling to burn down the system literally or figuratively whatever is necessary if their demands are not met. I also saw an interview where the interviewer asked if one of the goals was to make the police departments more diverse. The answer was "if a black person becomes a cop they are no longer black". So how do you ever please them? What does it take? Totally agree there needs to be changes from politicians down to the beat cop but the other side needs to be able to make changes also. If I say there is a major problem of black on black crime I am considered a racist. If black people say that they are also considered racist. Being told BLM only cares about crimes against black by white cops. Seriously 9 black men were killed last year by cops. There are 9 black people killed every day in these big cities by each other. Why is that a bad issue to want to address as well. There was a pastor in Brooklyn or the Bronx who said but , yes there needs to be change in the policing but also they need to do things in their own neighborhoods. Take some of the money and use it for programs to help youth, keep them out of gangs. Get rid of the gangs if possible. Do all necessary to keep dealers from getting people hooked and into crimes to get more money to support the habits. There can be improvement in many areas of life quality but the community needs to want to help and get involved in that. Not depend on cops or anyone else to take care of it as has been the case for a long time now. They can't even try at least in NYC as the plain clothes cops have been closed down. That means more guns, drugs and sex traffic will keep happening and get worse.
The point of the response about the black offer is that the problem is bigger than diversity. It is a SYSTEM.
Discussing black on black crime derails the conversation. BLM is a very specific conversation about the systemic racism not only in policing but in other aspects of society like housing, healthcare, education, etc.
If people really want to educate themselves there are many resources out there. I recommend everyone read The New Jim Crow for the historical context. There is also a whole list of resources that was posted about a month ago. I will bump it.
I hope that people can get to a place where they can learn and listen and understand the systemic change needed, but based on the responses here ("How do you ever please them?" Really? That is so condescending and dismissive.) I highly doubt it. It seems like it's all about protecting the pension and blaming the black community for the effects of centuries of systemic racism.
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mrsrainbow
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Re: Crime is on the rise...
Posted by JennP
Posted by LizD
Posted by queensgal
Posted by LizD
Posted by queensgal
Posted by TooSoontoTell
Posted by Christine2
Actually, given that the "trend" has increased after BLM protests is my concern. I am not sure that defunding and sending social workers to shootings will work. Clearly, the police are tacitly "standing down" and it is showing in the increased violence throughout the country.
That’s not at all what defund the police means. The conversation on sending social workers would be for non violent situations, mental health crises, etc.
If police are choosing to stand down and not perform their job, even more reason to defund them and put the money towards programs and people who will perform their jobs and protect society.
The “defund police” movement is not anti-police. It’s a recognition that we send police officers to every situation and they are not trained or best suited to handle so much. Instead, we need trained professionals who can assist non violent situations and prevent them from escalating to the point where someone who needed help ends up dead.
Your post is uneducated and perpetuates misinformation. Do some research.
I support our police. But I don’t support murderers and racists in uniform. I think the current system fails our police and is designed to fail. Cops who do wrong need to be punished and removed, they aren’t above the law. And all the other cops need more support from legislators and other organizations so they don’t have impossible expectations put on them.
they are not choosing not to do their jobs. I'm sorry - someone said earlier to do research on BLM well y'all need to do research on cops as well.
I know you claim to support the police, but you don't that is clear and that is your right, but don't spew shit when you don't know what you are taking about. Racists in uniform is so ignorant it is not even worth a response, but that comment right there shows how you really feel.
Huh? I didn’t say all cops are racist. I’m trying to differentiate between the racists in uniform - example the cop who killed George Floyd because he was black- and the police who are trying to do good police work day in and day out. What is ignorant about that? Or do you believe that zero cops are racist and act based on those beliefs?
For what it’s worth, there are racists in all professions and every walk of life.
If you relax on your anger you will see we are on the same side. Politicians and the system are failing all of us. That is what needs to change. And the money and where it goes is one thing but the entire thing is broken on who makes those decisions and how they are carried out. We need to stop fighting amongst ourselves, that’s what the people in power want so they stay in power.
The system had failed our police in many ways. The response had been greater protection for “bad cops” which honestly just puts everyone in more danger. Of course someone who assaults an officer should be held accountable - if police leadership and/or political leaders are causing that not to happen then it needs to change! See, we are on the same side.
We need strong community ties between people and the police/other support workers and first responders. Protecting racist cops who act illegally under the guise of a badge helps no one. The systems that perpetuate that- funding, court system, education, company practices etc - and keep minority groups (including women) down need to be changed. That is what is behind BLM.
yes, we do agree on most of this also, but you have to watch what is all behind the BLM or the shoot offs using that cause, you have the NY BLM or one of those leaders calling to burn down the system literally or figuratively whatever is necessary if their demands are not met. I also saw an interview where the interviewer asked if one of the goals was to make the police departments more diverse. The answer was "if a black person becomes a cop they are no longer black". So how do you ever please them? What does it take? Totally agree there needs to be changes from politicians down to the beat cop but the other side needs to be able to make changes also. If I say there is a major problem of black on black crime I am considered a racist. If black people say that they are also considered racist. Being told BLM only cares about crimes against black by white cops. Seriously 9 black men were killed last year by cops. There are 9 black people killed every day in these big cities by each other. Why is that a bad issue to want to address as well. There was a pastor in Brooklyn or the Bronx who said but , yes there needs to be change in the policing but also they need to do things in their own neighborhoods. Take some of the money and use it for programs to help youth, keep them out of gangs. Get rid of the gangs if possible. Do all necessary to keep dealers from getting people hooked and into crimes to get more money to support the habits. There can be improvement in many areas of life quality but the community needs to want to help and get involved in that. Not depend on cops or anyone else to take care of it as has been the case for a long time now. They can't even try at least in NYC as the plain clothes cops have been closed down. That means more guns, drugs and sex traffic will keep happening and get worse.
The point of the response about the black offer is that the problem is bigger than diversity. It is a SYSTEM.
Discussing black on black crime derails the conversation. BLM is a very specific conversation about the systemic racism not only in policing but in other aspects of society like housing, healthcare, education, etc.
If people really want to educate themselves there are many resources out there. I recommend everyone read The New Jim Crow for the historical context. There is also a whole list of resources that was posted about a month ago. I will bump it.
I hope that people can get to a place where they can learn and listen and understand the systemic change needed, but based on the responses here ("How do you ever please them?" Really? That is so condescending and dismissive.) I highly doubt it. It seems like it's all about protecting the pension and blaming the black community for the effects of centuries of systemic racism.
ding ding ding
Cops are cushy and they have built a cushy system that protect the good, the bad, and the ugly. The good cops are protected by a bad system and unless they are actively becoming antiracist in their daily lives and using that to diversify and create equity and inclusion within their workspace, then no, they are not as good they claim to be and yes, the police should be defunded.
And that goes for their families who participate and reap the benefits of this system as well. Stop upholding the bad system with your "but but buts" and start doing something and stop deflecting blame.
Message edited 7/8/2020 4:38:15 PM.
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