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lipglossjunky73
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Kid arrested for writing violent essay... What do you guys think of this?

In the wake of the VT shootings, I am assuming no one can be too cautious - what is intersting is that this kid happens to be of Asian descent... what are your thoughts on this?

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/360827,CST-NWS-essay27.article

Posted 4/27/07 4:20 PM
 
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Posted 4/27/07 4:23 PM
 

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Re: Kid arrested for writing violent essay... What do you guys think of this?

wrong

wrong

wrong

wrong

wrong

wrong

wrong.

good idea. lock up someone unstable with already actively violent offenders.

we are a genius society, I tell you. truly enlightened.

it should have been brought to a counselor, and then so should the student.

but, as someone suggested, maybe all people with "issues" should be locked up. Chat Icon Chat Icon

Posted 4/27/07 4:25 PM
 

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Re: Kid arrested for writing violent essay... What do you guys think of this?

He didn't commit a crime! He should NOT have been arrested!! On what charge? Doing his homework assignment??

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Posted 4/27/07 4:39 PM
 

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Re: Kid arrested for writing violent essay... What do you guys think of this?

Ridiculous. Chat Icon

What is it with this country and their knee-jerk reactions that always seem to involve violating an ammendment?

Posted 4/27/07 4:43 PM
 

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Re: Kid arrested for writing violent essay... What do you guys think of this?

what's next burning books?

I can't anymore- this country is moving backwards not forwards

Posted 4/27/07 4:44 PM
 

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Re: Kid arrested for writing violent essay... What do you guys think of this?

The only time I would see it being SLIGHTLY plausible to arrest someone for an essay would be if they outrightly NAMED someone they planned to harm. OR if they named a specific place they planned to sabatogue.
Even then, they should be brought in for questioning.

Posted 4/27/07 4:48 PM
 

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Re: Kid arrested for writing violent essay... What do you guys think of this?

Ladies - I completely agree with you... but lets play devil's advocate here...

The Cho guy from Virginia was writing disturbing things that was on many teacher's radars, and in hindsight people said - I should have said/done something...

I think arresting someone is very extreme,but maybe it should be pursued and put on the radar... but what happens if this kid DOES go on a shooting rampage - then what? Then teachers will remember this essay and say - something should have been done...

Like I said, just trying to look at this from all sides - I am NOT saying this was the right thing to do at all (I was a creative writing major in college and wrote MANY disturbing stories myself in high school and colllege - I am a huge horror fan - and would have been arrested too, probably...) - but what should teachers do now when they receive violent material?

Posted 4/27/07 4:48 PM
 

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Re: Kid arrested for writing violent essay... What do you guys think of this?

Posted by lipglossjunky73

Ladies - I completely agree with you... but lets play devil's advocate here...

The Cho guy from Virginia was writing disturbing things that was on many teacher's radars, and in hindsight people said - I should have said/done something...

I think arresting someone is very extreme,but maybe it should be pursued and put on the radar... but what happens if this kid DOES go on a shooting rampage - then what? Then teachers will remember this essay and say - something should have been done...

Like I said, just trying to look at this from all sides - I am NOT saying this was the right thing to do at all (I was a creative writing major in college and wrote MANY disturbing stories myself in high school and colllege - I am a huge horror fan - and would have been arrested too, probably...) - but what should teachers do now when they receive violent material?




I'm not saying it should be ignored...like you said - I feel the arrest was extreme.

I agree with what Ophelia said:

Posted by Ophelia

it should have been brought to a counselor, and then so should the student.


Posted 4/27/07 4:51 PM
 

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He didn't commit a crime! He should NOT have been arrested!! On what charge? Doing his homework assignment??

I HATEHATEHATE the knee-jerk reactions and the mass hysteria. No one *thinks* anymore! Chat Icon Chat Icon




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Posted 4/27/07 4:53 PM
 

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Re: Kid arrested for writing violent essay... What do you guys think of this?

ITA agree with many of the above.

Wrong for so many reasons. We are stripping freedoms here, at an incredibly quick rate. We are a society living in constant fear that actually applauds these knee-jerk reactions. AND we are contributing to the future plight of this kid.

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Posted 4/27/07 4:54 PM
 

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Re: Kid arrested for writing violent essay... What do you guys think of this?

Posted by lipglossjunky73
- but what should teachers do now when they receive violent material?



They should consider the assignment THEY gave out. They should send it (the writing) to a counselor. They should send the student to a counselor. They should consider the student's overall demeanor.

They should NOT have him arrested.

What I'm about to say is very, very personal - but one of my younger BILs was just suspended from school because of the kind of research he was doing in the school library. I completely support his school for doing this as my BIL is a very troubled boy. But even HE didn't get arrested, and he's got a history that will stand your hair on end. He's a far cry from this kid, who, at least according to this article, seems like a good kid with an active imagination.

Posted 4/27/07 4:55 PM
 

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Re: Kid arrested for writing violent essay... What do you guys think of this?

Stephen King
Dean Koontz
John Saul...

I could go on and on.

hell, if my teachers reported half the stories I wrote growing up, I'd be wearing a pretty pink jacket that ties in the back right about now!

I can't. I just can't.

and people are probably saying "thank God"

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jail is NOT THE SOLUTION to a mental illness and certainly NOT for an overactive imagination.

Posted 4/27/07 5:00 PM
 

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Re: Kid arrested for writing violent essay... What do you guys think of this?

I dont think he should have been arrested. Evaluated? Yes. Arrested? No. I think his race is irrelevant. Mental illness knows no boundaries.

Posted 4/27/07 5:01 PM
 

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Re: Kid arrested for writing violent essay... What do you guys think of this?

Posted by eroxgirl

He didn't commit a crime! He should NOT have been arrested!! On what charge? Doing his homework assignment??

I HATEHATEHATE the knee-jerk reactions and the mass hysteria. No one *thinks* anymore! Chat Icon Chat Icon



I agree!

Posted 4/27/07 5:04 PM
 

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Re: Kid arrested for writing violent essay... What do you guys think of this?

Posted by Ophelia

Stephen King
Dean Koontz
John Saul...

I could go on and on.

hell, if my teachers reported half the stories I wrote growing up, I'd be wearing a pretty pink jacket that ties in the back right about now!

I can't. I just can't.

and people are probably saying "thank God"

IDIOTS Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon

jail is NOT THE SOLUTION to a mental illness and certainly NOT for an overactive imagination.



Thats what I'm saying - I would have been hauled off years ago!!!

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Also - lets not forget Quentin Tarantino... Eli Roth...

Jail is NOT the solution for anything, IMHO...

Posted 4/27/07 5:08 PM
 

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Re: Kid arrested for writing violent essay... What do you guys think of this?

I know this will probably start drama, but here goes…

I am reading all of these responses and thinking to myself that on the day after the VT shootings there was a thread on this board about it. On that thread almost everyone was saying that VT should have been more proactive, done more, etc.
OK, so two weeks later a school decides to be proactive and everyone is freaking out.

Sorry but as someone who's mother has a mental illness and has seen first hand how the "system" of incompetent "therapists" work. I think they did the right thing. At least he will be evaluated while locked up and not in some "out patient" facility where he could possibly harm someone like Cho did.

It is like the "battered women's syndrome". The battered woman cannot have her significant other arrested from more than 48 hours for an assault because he will get out on bail. The next time that her significant other will be in jail is when he is arrested for her murder. The laws in the country basically do nothing to protect the innocent victims. The law ALWAYS protects the person who commits a crime, has a violent history, or who only beat up his wife "once" Chat Icon

I am the only one who sees how backwards this is? Yes, yes, EVERYONE is protected by the first amendment. Cho was "protected" by it when he wrote those plays. Did the first amendment protect the VT victims? NOPE. So as a society who should we protect?

Message edited 4/27/2007 5:15:42 PM.

Posted 4/27/07 5:15 PM
 

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Re: Kid arrested for writing violent essay... What do you guys think of this?

Posted by dandr10199

I know this will probably start drama, but here goes…

I am reading all of these responses and thinking to myself that on the day after the VT shootings there was a thread on this board about it. On that thread almost everyone was saying that VT should have been more proactive, done more, etc.
OK, so two weeks later a school decides to be proactive and everyone is freaking out.

Sorry but as someone who's mother has a mental illness and has seen first hand how the "system" of incompetent "therapists" work. I think they did the right thing. At least he will be evaluated while locked up and not in some "out patient" facility where he could possibly harm someone like Cho did.

It is like the "battered women's syndrome". The battered woman cannot have her significant other arrested from more than 48 hours for an assault because he will get out on bail. The next time that her significant other will be in jail is when he is arrested for her murder. The laws in the country basically do nothing to protect the innocent victims. The law ALWAYS protects the person who commits a crime, has a violent history, or who only beat up his wife "once" Chat Icon

I am the only one who sees how backwards this is? Yes, yes, EVERYONE is protected by the first amendment. Cho was "protected" by it when he wrote those plays. Did the first amendment protect the VT victims? NOPE. So as a society who should we protect?




See - I think what you are saying has a lot of validity to it, which is why I really wanted to discuss this... I am wondering if there is a way there can be something in between 2 extremes... like you said, people will wait or not want to react and then something horrible will happen and people will say - what happened? Why did they wait? Why didnt they do something?

I think arresting is extreme - evaluation should defintiely be done - the thing is - this kid is a minor while Cho was an adult, so I think Cho had more say about him being evaluated and going for services....

Posted 4/27/07 5:18 PM
 

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Re: Kid arrested for writing violent essay... What do you guys think of this?

yes, there was a big thread on it the other day...but perhaps..just perhaps, the people posting on this thread today expressed similar notions on that thread as well.

I know I am one of those people.

I brought up the novelists for a reason...many "normal" people write horror stories, and stories with violence in them. it doesn't make them any MORE prone than the next kid.

you need to look at the kid on a whole. Cho was an obvious nutter to everyone around him. this is completely different, but of course, it will be lumped together while we are immersed in this mass hysteria.

every time some kid shoots a place up, this happens, but it should be painfully obvious already that after the dust settles, everyone goes back to status quo.

measures need to be put into place. we need to be PREVENTATIVE, not REACTIONARY.

there are MILLIONS of people in the world with mental illness and even violent fantasies...they are all not ticking time bombs.

Posted 4/27/07 5:26 PM
 

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Re: Kid arrested for writing violent essay... What do you guys think of this?

measures need to be put into place. we need to be PREVENTATIVE, not REACTIONARY.



YES!!!

Society does tend to be more reactive than proactive in so many situations!

Posted 4/27/07 5:27 PM
 

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Re: Kid arrested for writing violent essay... What do you guys think of this?

Posted by dandr10199

I know this will probably start drama, but here goes…

I am reading all of these responses and thinking to myself that on the day after the VT shootings there was a thread on this board about it. On that thread almost everyone was saying that VT should have been more proactive, done more, etc.
OK, so two weeks later a school decides to be proactive and everyone is freaking out.



Maybe it's because I'm a teacher, but I agree with this completely at first glance!!

ETA: The student was 18, certainly old enough to realize the possible consequences to his actions. I think temporarily removing him from the situation was the best course of action.

Someone mentioned he wasn't like Cho - how do you know?? Maybe he is like Cho. Are we going to sit around and wait for him to explode?

Message edited 4/27/2007 5:32:58 PM.

Posted 4/27/07 5:28 PM
 

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Re: Kid arrested for writing violent essay... What do you guys think of this?

Posted by dandr10199

I know this will probably start drama, but here goes…

I am reading all of these responses and thinking to myself that on the day after the VT shootings there was a thread on this board about it. On that thread almost everyone was saying that VT should have been more proactive, done more, etc.
OK, so two weeks later a school decides to be proactive and everyone is freaking out.

Sorry but as someone who's mother has a mental illness and has seen first hand how the "system" of incompetent "therapists" work. I think they did the right thing. At least he will be evaluated while locked up and not in some "out patient" facility where he could possibly harm someone like Cho did.

It is like the "battered women's syndrome". The battered woman cannot have her significant other arrested from more than 48 hours for an assault because he will get out on bail. The next time that her significant other will be in jail is when he is arrested for her murder. The laws in the country basically do nothing to protect the innocent victims. The law ALWAYS protects the person who commits a crime, has a violent history, or who only beat up his wife "once" Chat Icon

I am the only one who sees how backwards this is? Yes, yes, EVERYONE is protected by the first amendment. Cho was "protected" by it when he wrote those plays. Did the first amendment protect the VT victims? NOPE. So as a society who should we protect?



I definitely understand your perspective but for me, it only makes sense in an isolated case but in reality, what this kid did is what happens all the time whether it be a story a kid writes in school, something a teen puts on myspace, a comment said to a friend, etc. and there are not nearly that many violent acts (to this degree) committed by teens in schools. Also, unfortunately, due to the deinstitutionalization of the mentally ill many of the people in prison are mentally ill and they do not get the treatment they need at all. Instead, they are released when their time is up and they usually go on to be non-compliant with treatment and ultimately end up committing another crime. I guess I am saying that obviously something needs to be done but I don't think an arrest is the answer. The mental health system needs to be seriously revamped and funded!!!!!

Posted 4/27/07 5:44 PM
 

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Posted 4/27/07 5:46 PM
 

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Re: Kid arrested for writing violent essay... What do you guys think of this?

Arrested - NO

If we should have learned anything from VT is that sometimes a little intervention - psychologically not legally - is needed. He was asked to write about "anything" - he was only doing his assignment

Posted 4/27/07 5:48 PM
 

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