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Kate
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Re: Kid arrested for writing violent essay... What do you guys think of this?
Posted by Ophelia
but, as someone suggested, maybe all people with "issues" should be locked up. 
Are you referring to me here?
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nrthshgrl
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Re: Kid arrested for writing violent essay... What do you guys think of this?
Posted by Goldi0218
I dont think he should have been arrested. Evaluated? Yes. Arrested? No. I think his race is irrelevant. Mental illness knows no boundaries.
ITA
If a student writes on a paper that the teacher may be the one that inspired a shooting at his high school - that's a strong statement. IMO it needs to be taken very seriously. Arrested no, detained & evaluated definitely.
Message edited 4/27/2007 8:33:47 PM.
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Ophelia
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remember, when Gulliver traveled....
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Re: Kid arrested for writing violent essay... What do you guys think of this?
Posted by Kate
Posted by Ophelia
but, as someone suggested, maybe all people with "issues" should be locked up.
Are you referring to me here?
not sure. if you said that then yes, but I don't really remember peoples names all that well to be honest.
that wasn't intentionally vague, nor was it calling you or anyone else out, b/c if it was you, we've probably already had at it on the other thread.
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Ophelia
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remember, when Gulliver traveled....
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Re: Kid arrested for writing violent essay... What do you guys think of this?
I don't think anyone is advocating a "do nothing" policy at all.
I think those that are dismayed are simply stating that the WRONG action was taken in this case...and quite possibly in cases to come.
there are only 2 ways to stop these things from happening...
availability of treatment
unavailability of weapons
simply having a place to "put" people does nothing bu corral them in an already violent environment.
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nrthshgrl
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Re: Kid arrested for writing violent essay... What do you guys think of this?
Posted by Ophelia
there are only 2 ways to stop these things from happening...
availability of treatment
unavailability of weapons
One of the attorneys I worked for did a class action suit against gun manufacturers who allow for black market sales of guns. The gun industry knew about the illegal "diversion" of guns into the hands of criminals and children, and did nothing.
At trial, the jury found 15 of the 25 manufacturer defendants negligent in the marketing and distribution of their products, and eight of the manufacturers responsible for three deaths as a result of their negligent marketing. The legal precedent set by the judge’s decision on the negligent distribution theory, along with the jury’s verdict, helped form the basis for lawsuits filed by municipalities around the country against the firearms industry.
Definitely a heroine in my book!
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Re: Kid arrested for writing violent essay... What do you guys think of this?
Posted by Goldi0218
I dont think he should have been arrested. Evaluated? Yes. Arrested? No. I think his race is irrelevant. Mental illness knows no boundaries.
I think I agree with this.
Posted by eroxgirl
I HATEHATEHATE the knee-jerk reactions and the mass hysteria. No one *thinks* anymore!
This makes me think of the Dateline stories they keep doing. Men are arrested when they come to a house to have sex with a teen...they are arrested and TECHNICALLY some of them have not done anything wrong but they have intent and that is what gets them.
There has been a few school shootings now. ALLLL had SOME indication that something was not quite "right." I don't know what the right answer is, I just know we need to do SOMETHING to stop the killings and if that means knee jerk for a small period of time (as I hope someone is moving quickly to start a time and guideling on how to handle this).
Hard topic.
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DebG
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Re: Kid arrested for writing violent essay... What do you guys think of this?
Posted by nrthshgrl
Posted by Goldi0218
I dont think he should have been arrested. Evaluated? Yes. Arrested? No. I think his race is irrelevant. Mental illness knows no boundaries.
ITA
If a student writes on a paper that the teacher may be the one that inspired a shooting at his high school - that's a strong statement. IMO it needs to be taken very seriously. Arrested no, detained & evaluated definitely.
But where to detain them?? Jail? Mental hospital? Boot camp?
I know we should, just have questions as to where.
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Re: Kid arrested for writing violent essay... What do you guys think of this?
Posted by Ophelia
there are only 2 ways to stop these things from happening...
availability of treatment
unavailability of weapons
Absolutely!
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Gertyrae
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Re: Kid arrested for writing violent essay... What do you guys think of this?
It's very diffcult to say right now. We as a country are prone to knee-jerk reactions. Pearl Harbor/9-11/VT - we alway jump on the "situation" and then three months later it's forgotten.
That being said, the student should have been evaluated, as other have said, and if the story is just a part of his whole personality then maybe he should have been detained.
The problem with any of these crazy situations is that you could never know beforehand that the person is going to do what they do. In most interviews, people thought Cho was "off" but not violent to the extreme that he ended up being. Same thing with the Columbine boys. Noone thinks before it happens that someone would shoot up a school. It's almost an impossible thing to wrap your head around.
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Re: Kid arrested for writing violent essay... What do you guys think of this?
Posted by Danamz
Posted by Ophelia
there are only 2 ways to stop these things from happening...
availability of treatment
unavailability of weapons
Absolutely!
totally unrelated to this thread - but if you get a chance, rent "Lord of War" with Nicholas Cage and Jared Leto. It was an indie film a few years ago about the firearms black market. Absolutely fascinating, and proof that guns will ALWAYS be available.
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mka06
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Re: Kid arrested for writing violent essay... What do you guys think of this?
i'm a bit torn about this. It does not seem that it was appropriate to arrest this kid; the criminal charge seems ungrounded and it probably will end up being dropped. But truthfully, I don't think it's the worst thing in the world if it scares some sense into the kid or makes his father take a closer look.
I'm not sure I feel evaluation is a better solution... only becuase Cho WAS evaluated... He was sent to a facility - they said he "posed no harm to himself or others" in the report. I actually think hearing what his teachers and students did -- a lot was done to try and help the kid. Clearly that did nothing to prevent the violence. I'm not a mental health professional though...
Also, I don't have a problem with limits being placed on what kids can and cannot express in an academic setting. There are plenty of ways in which our freedoms are limited and I don't think its bad to keep kids in check. IMO - kids of today aren't benefitting to so much accesss to violence on tv, in movies, and video games. There is far more violence in schools now than there was 10, 20 or 30 years ago - we need to do something to stop it.
Also, a kid that age is old enough to know that it's completely inappropriate to be writing about something like that, esp so close to the VT tragedy.
It makes me sick to my stomach to think about...
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Re: Kid arrested for writing violent essay... What do you guys think of this?
2 words....witch hunt
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Goldi0218
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Re: Kid arrested for writing violent essay... What do you guys think of this?
Posted by mka06
Also, a kid that age is old enough to know that it's completely inappropriate to be writing about something like that, esp so close to the VT tragedy.
It makes me sick to my stomach to think about...
You are right. A kid that age in this society IS old enough to know that what he wrote is innappropriate. On that same note, the fact that he did it anyway, may key us all in to an aspect of his personality. It is an obvious attention seeking behavior. I work with children with mental illness as a special education teacher and see similar (though not dangerous) exhibitions of behavior for the sole purpose of attention seeking. They are monitored very closely.
When I was of HS age, I knew exactly what to do if I wanted attention on a global scale. The difference is, I knew not to do it. Most people don't act like that and that is why MOST people aren't locked up whether in jail or in a treatment program.
Young people are known to feel fearless and act impulsively and that is exactly why they need limits. Sure they are more sophisticated than the youth of years past and now they are constantly exposed to things of an "adult" nature. They also have the technology to access the masses and instill fear in millions of people at the same time thanks to the internet.
I think this person was very calculated. He wanted to generate a reaction in the wake of the VT horror and got exactly what he wanted. It is troubling, but should not go without investigation. There is no harm in psychiatric evaluation. Sadly, the system failed Cho, but it doesnt mean it fails everyone. Jail is obviously not appropriate, but he can't be left without consequences.
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Booklady1017
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Re: Kid arrested for writing violent essay... What do you guys think of this?
Theres a fine line between writing about violence and actually taking action on it. One though doesn't know where the line can be crossed.
Although this essay could be a cry for help. I don't think this guy should be arrested but maybe should be forced to have a psychological evaluation to determine if he needs help. It could be some sort of joke this essay and he doesn't have psychological problems but someone should talk to him about the ramifications of writing something like this especially post Virginia Tech tragedy.
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Goldi0218
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Re: Kid arrested for writing violent essay... What do you guys think of this?
Posted by Booklady1017
Theres a fine line between writing about violence and actually taking action on it. One though doesn't know where the line can be crossed.
Although this essay could be a cry for help. I don't think this guy should be arrested but maybe should be forced to have a psychological evaluation to determine if he needs help. It could be some sort of joke this essay and he doesn't have psychological programs but someone should talk to him about the ramifications of writing something like this especially post Virginia Tech tragedy.
Exactly
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